Talmud do Awoda zara 2:3
Jerusalem Talmud Orlah
64This and the following paragraph have parallels in Avodah Zarah 2:3, fol. 41b. Neither of the two text is without problems. There65Mishnah Avodah Zarah 2:3., we have stated: “The following things from Gentiles are forbidden even for usufruct: Wine66Since wine might have been used for a Gentile libation, it is forbidden as ancillary to idolatreous practices. Once it is forbidden, it cannot become permitted even if the wine spoils and becomes vinegar., Gentiles’ vinegar which originally was wine, and Hadrianic pottery67The Babli (Avodah Zarah 32a) explains that this is very porous pottery which Roman soldiers used to soak in wine and carry with them, so it could be soaked in water and provide a taste of wine. There is no explanation of the term in the Yerushalmi.
Perhaps the word has nothing to do with Adria, Adrianoi in Mysia, or the emperor Hadrian, and should be read הֻדְרִייָני “wine pots”, from Greek ὑδρία, ἡ, “water pot; vessel, wine pot” (Liddel & Scott) (E. G.)..” Rebbi Zeïra in the name of Rebbi Jeremiah68This name tradition, also preserved in Avodah Zarah, is impossible since R. Jeremiah was R. Zeïra’s student. Either the two names should be switched, or the second author is Rav Jeremiah (an unlikely scenario given the difference in time), or it should be “R. Joḥanan” instead of “R. Jeremiah”. The original formulation cannot be recovered.: This is Rebbi Meïr’s, as we have stated: Hadrianic pottery is forbidden even for usufruct68This name tradition, also preserved in Avodah Zarah, is impossible since R. Jeremiah was R. Zeïra’s student. Either the two names should be switched, or the second author is Rav Jeremiah (an unlikely scenario given the difference in time), or it should be “R. Joḥanan” instead of “R. Jeremiah”. The original formulation cannot be recovered.. Where do we hold? If one put it into a dish, everybody agrees that it is forbidden69Since the forbidden wine will leach out into the dish.. If he sells it excluding the value of libation wine contained in it, everybody agrees that it is permitted. But we deal with the case that he put it on top of a dish70As a pan-cover..
Perhaps the word has nothing to do with Adria, Adrianoi in Mysia, or the emperor Hadrian, and should be read הֻדְרִייָני “wine pots”, from Greek ὑδρία, ἡ, “water pot; vessel, wine pot” (Liddel & Scott) (E. G.)..” Rebbi Zeïra in the name of Rebbi Jeremiah68This name tradition, also preserved in Avodah Zarah, is impossible since R. Jeremiah was R. Zeïra’s student. Either the two names should be switched, or the second author is Rav Jeremiah (an unlikely scenario given the difference in time), or it should be “R. Joḥanan” instead of “R. Jeremiah”. The original formulation cannot be recovered.: This is Rebbi Meïr’s, as we have stated: Hadrianic pottery is forbidden even for usufruct68This name tradition, also preserved in Avodah Zarah, is impossible since R. Jeremiah was R. Zeïra’s student. Either the two names should be switched, or the second author is Rav Jeremiah (an unlikely scenario given the difference in time), or it should be “R. Joḥanan” instead of “R. Jeremiah”. The original formulation cannot be recovered.. Where do we hold? If one put it into a dish, everybody agrees that it is forbidden69Since the forbidden wine will leach out into the dish.. If he sells it excluding the value of libation wine contained in it, everybody agrees that it is permitted. But we deal with the case that he put it on top of a dish70As a pan-cover..
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